Character’s an issue if you’re talking about cheating, lying, deceiving, maybe not keeping vows-I don’t know, those are important things. But you don’t come out when there’s no proof and you don’t smear good men and good women when there’s no proof. That’s just ugly, and it’s not all the news that’s fit to print.

Exactly. And she’s a good friend of mine. I mean, it’s so ugly, the whole thing. And it’s been very deceitful and harmful and ugly. I haven’t seen Jennifer because she’s out of the country, but my heart goes out to her. This is just mean.

No. I think if you’re a public servant, you’re pretty much open to scrutiny. But that is not to say you should repeat lies.

Oh, absolutely. You know, for us, family means sticking with your family-and friends, I might add-through thick and thin. It’s very important. And, of course, we would. I mean, there would be no question about that.

If my child broke a law, which this would not be breaking, but if my child broke a law, that doesn’t mean I condone it. But I would certainly put my arms around her and hug her and love her and care for her. And I believe George said he would counsel the child. But, you know, you can’t pin a child down and say you can’t have an abortion; that’s against the law.

Well, she does it differently; that’s all. I mean, that is what’s big about our party. You can’t do that. I don’t think you can-but I can’t say to a 21-year-old or 18-year-old child, “you”-I mean, that doesn’t work that way. It’s against the law.

Well, not me. I think you support your family over everything. I mean, you don’t always like-I might add, it’s a two-way street in our family. They support us. They’re very good about that. Our friends have supported us. They may not always like what we do, but they’ve been there. That’s what the family is; it’s being there.

No, I’m saying …

No, I haven’t seen the platform.

I’m not being outspoken on pro or con abortion. I’m saying abortion should not be in there, either pro or con. I mean, I have friends who are pro-Bush, pro-choice. I have friends that are pro-life, pro-Bush. That’s right. I mean, that’s the way it should be, I think …

And fine you’re pro-choice. I understand that. And great you’re pro-life. I understand that, too. And I know that you can argue yourself blue in the face and you’re not going to change each other’s mind. And it’s a waste of your time and my time to try to change minds. People feel very strongly both ways.

Indeed they are.

… I think that’s-it’s a personal choice is what I’m saying, personal thing. The personal thing should be left out of, in my opinion, out of platforms at conventions.

That’s none of your business. But when I run for office, I’ll tell you first thing. But do I agree with my husband? Yes.